Howard Lyman is my guest. He is the author of Mad Cowboy, Plain Truth from the Cattle Rancher Who Won’t Eat Meat and No More Bull. What a pleasure to speak with someone who had been on all sides of the fence. He was an organic farmer as a kid, took over the farm and made it a big factory style cattle ranch and then sold everything to help others. He lobbied Congress to help the small family farmer, encouraged organic farming and even helped push the Organic Production Act through. He healed himself eating a plant based diet and now is spreading the word to others. His website is madcowboy.com.